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5 Wishes For Youth Ministry Magic In 2025

Youth Ministry Booster Episode 282

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If there is a ministry genie that can grant wishes then here are our 5 for 2025! 

Happy New Year's episode everyone! This week we explore how to shape youth ministry in 2025, emphasizing relational connections, purposeful engagement, and the joy of community. Chad and Zac have five  wishes that will guide ministries to build stronger connections with youth while incorporating fun, service, and social media.

  1. Use social media to build bridges, not posts.
  2. Serve. Serve Together.
  3. Hand Keys To Students
  4. Have Fun On Purpose
  5. Make It Relational

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Speaker 2:

A snap, we're back. We're back we did it, we did it. Welcome back, buddy. How are you? I'm very good, very, very good. It's good to have you back. Oh my gosh, it feels like it's been forever.

Speaker 1:

We're through the holiday season.

Speaker 2:

Hey, we're through the holiday season. Happy New Year everybody Wearing the flannels for the traditional January recording of this podcast when it's far too cold. Yes sir, yes sir, hey man, good Christmas cold. Yes sir, yes, sir, um, hey man, good christmas. Yeah, yeah, yeah very good.

Speaker 1:

Did you get everything you wanted? Uh, uh, yes, oh, that's good. Uh, I got some questions about new year's eve. Oh, okay, wow, uh like where was I?

Speaker 2:

the cops are needing to know. Wow, alibis I was with my family. We were at disney. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah but so not just this New Year's Eve In general, are you? Like a stay up till midnight kind of guy, or so.

Speaker 2:

New Year's Eve used to be before kids. That was one of Karen's favorite holidays, really Well, okay, so our anniversary is early January, so we would always kind of treat new year's eve as like go out, have like a fan. We didn't like the big parties, but we had like a big date. There's always like a, because there are people always doing like cool specials and like some places to like had the christmas decorations up and stuff. So it was always kind of fun. So pre-kids, I would say we were probably up till midnight most nights. Now with kids we do the countdown with them at like 9, 10.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, big fan of pigs in a blanket.

Speaker 2:

Wait, is that like a New Year's thing?

Speaker 1:

I feel like there are a few times through the year that give you perfect excuse to have pigs in a blanket, socially acceptable pigs in a blanket. New Year's Eve Super Bowl Flag Day. Yeah, canadian Box.

Speaker 2:

Day, hey, hey, hey. Canadian Boxing Day is a beautiful holiday. Don't hate on it.

Speaker 1:

I mean, I also love it for pigs in a blanket reasons Snuggy hot dogs.

Speaker 2:

Who doesn't love a snuggy hot dog? Wrap it up. Yeah oh, are you mustard on the piggy in the blanket?

Speaker 1:

No, you know me, I know you, you'll eat mustard on your cereal.

Speaker 2:

So no, I hate mustard. I hate it. That's shame on that. It's low calorie and delicious, and it's also in the Bible it it's tangy good, tangy good. So did you have some pigs in the blanket this year for New Year's Eve? Always, oh Always, like homemade or like what's the thing?

Speaker 1:

Where are you going to get store-bought? You know, man, what Homemade? Where can you get pigs in a blanket?

Speaker 2:

We'd love to find out. We'd love to find out. The Schwan's man, didn't they call the Schwan's man on the big yellow truck? Does that exist anymore? Oh yeah, he's delivering food right now.

Speaker 1:

Hold on, though that would still be homemade.

Speaker 2:

Well, you're heating them up, but it's homemade. Reheating frozen food is not homemade. My guy Was, it made in my house. Yeah, okay, drop your comments below. If you heat up frozen dinners, it's not homemade.

Speaker 1:

It was made at your house. It's reheated.

Speaker 2:

When you heat up leftover pizza. Is it homemade?

Speaker 1:

Not if it was bought at Domino's.

Speaker 2:

Okay, well, you bought this at the Schwan's man and heated it up. Is it homemade?

Speaker 1:

Okay, so I also didn't like butcher the cow when I'm making hamburgers at home.

Speaker 2:

If you're tenderizing the meat and forming the patty. If it's hand-formed patty that feels homemade, this is an interesting conversation. Okay.

Speaker 1:

See, I feel like there's a difference between homemade and made from scratch oh, you're giving a whole nother category, right, okay, okay homemade when I think.

Speaker 2:

When I think about homemade, it just means like you cooked it at the house oh so like when y'all order, like if, if you ordered, like a one of those food boxes where they send you the meal and you heat it up, that's homemade.

Speaker 1:

I feel like it is Okay. Literally it says home chef, that's right.

Speaker 2:

Sorry For folks that are new listeners. There was a solid three month period that I thought our friend Chad here was really bougie because he kept referring to he and Martha's home chef. I thought they had hired part-time help to make dinners. I didn't realize that Home Chef was a brand.

Speaker 1:

We work at the same place. How are you thinking that I?

Speaker 2:

Hey, we all invest differently, you know. We all have our own levels of investment. I'm not here to judge. I'm not here to judge you. I just thought we were making strong choices. Listen, some folks have a nice car, some folks have a nice wardrobe. My man here's got a nice home, chef.

Speaker 1:

I'm driving an 08 Honda with a home chef.

Speaker 2:

That's it. Listen, we're all in one accord. That's it. Just some college kids you found at cooking meals in the culinary school.

Speaker 1:

The guy's got ripped jeans, he's got personal chance.

Speaker 2:

That's right. That's right. He's failing biology, but he's cooking your meals.

Speaker 1:

All right.

Speaker 2:

You said you have a joke for okay, so we're gonna start with the joke, uh that wasn't homemade. So, uh, as you guys know, new year, kids are getting older. Yeah, uh, my, my boys, uh, we have some things that we watch on youtube together. Yeah, somehow in the algorithm they saw one of our shorts.

Speaker 1:

Uh, super, awkward, super awkward.

Speaker 2:

It's super awkward. They're so proud of me. They're like dad, you have a thousand people that subscribe to you. It was like this weird humbling thing. They were like so proud and they're like the guys that we follow have like one million. And I was like, well, no, they're like dad. You know, mark Rober, like dude, could you call Preston Place? No, I can't. But they saw one of the shorts and the one that we did about Gideon's catchphrases and Gideon like welled up with pride because it was like he got the mention, sure.

Speaker 2:

So the last few weeks Isaiah's been like dropping jokes, so one of the ones that he's been doing. He's done this a couple different times. The first time it really confused me. Uh, he'll come in after school and like slam the door and be like open up, it's the fbi. Let's let his little thing, which is like he's nine and he's in his mom's car but it's funny, here I'm slamming the door be like open up, it's the FBI. So there you go, bud, that one's made it, but the other one, he's like I got some jokes and so I was going to tell you Uncle Chad one of his best jokes.

Speaker 1:

Trying to get on the podcast. Trying to get on the podcast, it's a classic.

Speaker 2:

It's a great joke because it's a really classic setup. So, okay, you ready. Wait, he made this joke. I don't know where it came from. Okay, I didn't tell him this joke. He told me this joke. I had never heard it. You'll see in a minute why I got nervous to see where it was gonna go. This joke could have gone very differently, okay, so, chad, there's three friends wandering in the desert. Okay, um, these three friends wanted, and they find a lamp oh and they and they. You know it's.

Speaker 1:

It looks like it could be a lamp. Who put?

Speaker 2:

this out here, who's this lamp? So they rub the magic lamp and, bah, genie opens. Nice Genie says I got three wishes.

Speaker 1:

And they've been wandering the desert.

Speaker 2:

So great premise Genie three friends desert you can go anywhere. This is great. The first friend was like Genie I've been wandering a long way. Yeah, I, I'd like to go home.

Speaker 1:

Oh.

Speaker 2:

And so the genie says boom, your wish is granted, you go home. Second friend takes the lamp and says genie, I've been wandering a long way, I'd like to go home. Yeah, go home, wow.

Speaker 1:

Same wish. It feels like one of them. Could the witch for all of them. Hold on, it's a waste of a second. Hold on, we'll see.

Speaker 2:

We'll see. And then a third person thinks for a long time about what to ask the genie. Other two friends went home and he waits long enough and he says genie, I miss my friends. Other two friends appear back with the third friend. Wow. Genie says love it, it's great. I just when he said I got three people in the desert with the genie and a lamp. I'm like the setup for this could be anything like hold on. So the genie I miss my friends has become one of our lines in the house.

Speaker 1:

Okay, I like it genie miss my friends oh, I love it, I love it so.

Speaker 2:

So we were going to give you all five wishes that we have for 2025. So this is five things for 2025 that we think will set you on a good course for growth in your ministry or improvement. So number one, 2025, coming at you Use social media to build bridges, not posts.

Speaker 1:

Explain that.

Speaker 2:

Using social media to build bridges, not posts, means to leverage it for connection, not promotion. I think one of the best things that you could do in 2025 is to figure out the ways in which your students and you, both as a person and a ministry, could connect online in a consistent, repeatable, relational way, more than just advertising the thing you're going to do. Take the event out of it. Think about social media Instagram, tiktok, youtube or even videos across a group, me or Discord channel Like. Think about media, not the apps. Media done socially in a way that connects your favorite parts of the ministry and not just the calendar of your ministry. If you love to teach, get some 30, 60-second, three-minute videos out there of the things you wanted your students to see, hear and know. Yeah, set it up in your office, buy a window, talk it, teach it out. Or if you love funny jokes and stuff, if you've got funny kids, record some funny jokes, memes, dances, whatever. Make it really fun, involve them, leverage it for whatever else.

Speaker 1:

What do you think?

Speaker 2:

I would say involve them.

Speaker 1:

Involve them too. It's a big piece of that. Make it the ministry-wide, not just the minister Well because you have to think when it comes to social media outside of like reels and stories and things like that. I mean you need other students that are not directly like following your ministry to see it, and one of the only ways to do that is if your kids are sharing it Tagging collaborating, sharing.

Speaker 2:

You need posts that are shareable enough, either because they were insightful or involved others.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they're not sharing. You know, we start at 630, you know, what I mean, or your announcements.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, they're going to share what they would invite to you, but not sharing your invitation. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

So having them do fun things. So I love it. The bridge over just a post, yeah.

Speaker 2:

So we're going to build bridges instead of just building posts. So, instead of just like the thing, the thing, the thing like, think about it in, like, so make it sincere. What do you love in the ministry? What does your ministry love to do, whether that's maybe it's trivia, maybe it's like trivia questions, where you put out a question and they have all the little interactive things and the people answer and do just make it true to what you are, but make it as social as it is like an obligation.

Speaker 2:

Make it fun, make it serious.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, okay, number two. Number two is serve together, local community, serve and shine together. I guess one of the things that in this next year don't just have the big community like one day thing or just the big mission trip, what are the little things along the way that students are passionate about as chances to do stuff? I think I am very much. We've talked about this in different breakouts getting out of the classroom mentality of student ministry and into the lab, like. How do we talk about like generosity and service, not just from a mic to a room, but practice it, even if it's stuff you can do in your youth room on a Wednesday, if it's assembling care packages or food bags or some, just something that's like kinetic and happening and doing, and not just like you guys should be out there doing stuff and they're just like nodding along to it Well, and this is a generation that is so connected to like purpose and serving.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, those types of things Making a difference, yeah, yeah, and and so allowing them the opportunity to serve.

Speaker 1:

It also continues to allow us to speak about how you know Jesus. You know fed and cared for the needy and poor and those type of things that we can really connect to at a deeper level. We invite them in. I think we'll really. I think those are really great opportunities. I know back when I first started in student ministry, the mission trip or the opportunity to serve wasn't something that at that time, youth ministers were really thinking about as the like invite or the reach opportunity.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that was like the final stop on the leadership journey.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

And I think that's probably the big pivot, for if you're a veteran in youth ministry, flip it Like service may not be the end game, it may be the entry point, yeah an opportunity and I would say, begin to cast that vision for your students of going hey, this is an opportunity to invite friends to come and serve, make an impact, sell them on the vision, the purpose and you're going to see them be really open. That's another way to continue to compound some of these things. This is an opportunity, maybe not to post the actual serving opportunity on social media, but a way to engage friends through social media. Of the invite to hey. We're going to be doing this thing on, you know, january 24th. Invite your friends and here's, here's a really great post that you can share on your social media to invite those to be a part well.

Speaker 2:

So one of my, one of my friends, who's a social media kind of guru for stuff, talks about that when it comes to like teen brand stuff, um, the the best things to post in a general category are group photos of students. Uh well, well executed group photos of students, because every person in it, if they look good, we'll share it. So instead of having like, uh yes, worship photos back of the room hand up are really powerful, but they want to share their face.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And so if it looks good and it's you know two or three of them, then the likelihood of it being shared two or three times. If the goal of social media isn't just growth but expansive webbing connection, then we've got to get more pictures and photos of groups of our students together.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, opportunity to serve is huge.

Speaker 2:

Seeing themselves serve is making a difference Like that's even better in some ways than the promotion for the chance to serve. It was the story, the storytelling of what was happening.

Speaker 1:

Well, and on the back end of those, you start to develop stories with each other, yes, spend time with each other. All of these are building relationships that we'll kind of talk through in this list.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

So what is the third wish? To come back home, that our friends would come back home.

Speaker 2:

So the third wish is to hand the keys over to the students. There we go so, the student-led initiatives. This is the stuff again getting out of the classroom into the laboratory and then now into the apprenticeship or whatever. So, at every level that there is adult leadership, is there a student version of it? Teaching, leading, serving, music, making, doing anything that an adult is doing in the life of the church? Is there a space for a student to be a junior or an apprentice to, from pastor to custodian, from missionary to director, from piano player to guitar? Like, where is the student? Again, maybe they're not the one, but how do we literally put them side by side with other people that are shared passions and interests?

Speaker 1:

That's good, that's really good. Can I add to this one, please, not to be a fourth? Okay To be a 3B, 3b, 3b. As well as bringing students in to initiate and ideate those type of things, I would say there are also key parents to bring into as well to learn from, get ideas and even invite into helping.

Speaker 1:

Because in some of the same ways that you're going to have really influential students that can reach out to bring students and grow your student ministry, that is very true specifically with moms. You will have really influential moms in your church that may or may not be connected to your most influential student.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

But if you know who those influential moms are, a lot of times if you're hosting an event or you know, like we were talking about a big service project, that you're incorporating the parents into that like planning process of it, you will. Also, if you cast the vision and encourage those families to reach out to other families they know, to invite them to come and serve and to be a part of it, you are going to find that those relational connections happen really well.

Speaker 2:

We'll pick up a little bit more of that number five, but I think there is something really important there of like the who gets asked and the way in which we inventory the relational folks in our church. And so number four is make fun the doorway. This is something it seems so simple and yet this has become true again and again is you have to give some high points to let students know when to invite, connect and do of meeting, whether that's every week or every other week. Your students need to know where to find, you find each other and you need to plant the flag on Sunday nights or Wednesday nights or whenever it is like this is where we can be found, like whatever the thing is, this is where we can be found.

Speaker 2:

But along the way, inside that regular habit, rhythm of meeting, what is the key time to bring a friend or to show up with my team or to we're going to have.

Speaker 2:

You know, even even if it's more of a like a somber, like prayer night or worship night or a donut night, there needs to be like peaks and valleys of like this is the big night when we're all going to do the thing, and it may be related to food.

Speaker 2:

It may be related to an activity, it may be a fantasy football baseball draft, it may be a Mario Kart tournament, but give them some parameters. Around the dodgeball glow night that gives them an on-ramp to invite other students to, because as much as we say, oh, your friends are always welcome, if they're always welcome we're never going to invite. You've got to build it around. I don't think you have to add an additional night or activity to your week. If you meet on sunday or wednesday, plan within the confines of that rhythm, but give it a little bit of a ramping up of like. We want your friends, or you know, bring your team night, bring your sibling night, um to these particular moments in time yeah, or as I like to put it, have fun on purpose have fun on purpose.

Speaker 2:

That's right, that's right, and so I think Accidental fun, that doesn't hurt any, that doesn't help anybody.

Speaker 1:

Well, I think sometimes in student ministry it's like, well, we have fun, yeah, and it just becomes part of the rhythm, instead of allowing it to be like no, no, no, the focus for tonight. And to realize like I think sometimes this gets thrown in like the bad bin of like, well, we got to have all of these things.

Speaker 1:

And yes, if you're thinking about student ministry as just one-offs you're correct, but none of this is one-offs right Like yeah, yes, our main goal, main focus, is the discipleship of students. Part of that process is having space for community building, connection and those type of things, and so the easiest entry door, specifically for students that do not know Jesus yet, is often fun, on purpose. To create fun environments, fun experiences. Let your students know beforehand, bring them into the planning, like we talked about, I think, on number two, to allow them to have say in what we're doing, what is the fun going to look like. Because I will tell you over the years that I've learned and become humble enough that what sounds the most fun to me may not be anymore to students.

Speaker 2:

Well, I think that's the careful thing. I think this is where the struggle for a lot of folks. They were like I think games are dumb. I think maybe what has happened if I can just again New Year's resolution maybe the thing that you thought was fun they didn't enjoy, or the thing that they're talking about is fun you think is silly. Like fun in some levels is a little bit like music. Like we all have our own preference.

Speaker 2:

This is where I think leaning on a student leadership team, a fun squad of like what would be the fun thing, Like allow them to weigh in and input, because it may be they really want this thing.

Speaker 2:

That's like sounds so dumb to you. Like it may be. I mean we still laugh that like Adam Sandler days is like a whole. Like there are schools across the country that one of their dress up days is to wear sweatpants and hockey jerseys, because it's like a whole thing. I could have never predicted that and yet it makes sense because it's easy and they all watch the movies. So there may be some like fun game fun thing that feels either retro or silly to you, that they're really excited about and I think finally being willing to like do the research. Like I am on a bend this year that I think youth ministry needs to feel as much like journalism as it does like professorial shit, like we're not just teaching stuff, we are trying to report back what we're learning and I think getting getting close to the ground to find out what your, your kids are into, really, really matters.

Speaker 1:

All right, I'm putting you on the spot. We did not plan this.

Speaker 2:

This is not in show notes beforehand.

Speaker 1:

We're going to put on our youth minister hat again for a moment, yeah. In the next 45 days. If you're a youth minister, you have to plan a fun event on Wednesday night. What is something outside of the box? I don't want easy layup. I've done this before. Outside of the box. Next 45 days give these folks an idea. I'll come up with an idea too. I can go first, if you want Give you a moment to think about it. I think I got like a bad one.

Speaker 2:

I'm wondering if I have, like a good one, a bad one's fine.

Speaker 1:

Sometimes the best ideas spur off from a bad one. I'm wondering if I have a good one. A bad one's fine, okay.

Speaker 2:

Sometimes the best ideas spur off from a bad one. Okay.

Speaker 1:

Okay, we're not going to actually do these, so these people can actually learn from our mistake. Here's my idea. Okay, what's your bad? Just to see what's that.

Speaker 2:

I think it's a brilliant idea.

Speaker 1:

And let me tell you right now if you do this, you're send his photo, always, always send his photos. I've never done this before. Okay, I think it'd be a blast and I don't know why I thought about it. Uh, coming up february yeah, one of the most unappreciated holidays that we have yeah, groundhog's day oh, okay what if you threw the largest?

Speaker 1:

it's on a sunday this year. Groundhogs party, okay, in your city. Okay, it was a student, like four students. Yeah, we are going to celebrate. Yeah, groundhogs day. Yeah, like no one has ever before. Okay, one great opportunity for pigs in a blanket uh, just making a fall. My man just wanted some homemade pigs in a blanket well, if he sees his shadow, then you've got extra crescent roll. Okay, if he does it, mustard yeah mustard the pigs out.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, um no, but I think I think you could host oh my god, dude and and sell it yeah like make some attire like noire.

Speaker 2:

No, you've got to dress up. You've got to dress up fancy, you've got to have the platform.

Speaker 2:

Fancy monocles, you've got to come out and make the announcement. Ladies and gentlemen, today it has to be a whole soapbox and a speech. I will say the videos leading up for it. If you did, full like stovepipe hat, like big, heavy cup of like. We look forward to the day that Winchester will tell us the future of the weather. Come celebrate, come celebrate, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you can go buy a stuffed groundhog. You can make him your little pet. You can have a little cave in the youth room. It's like we're going to you know it's going to be a thing or whatever it's on a Sunday this year.

Speaker 1:

And just unapologetically, we're going to celebrate.

Speaker 2:

Groundhog's.

Speaker 1:

Day we're going to make a fun party.

Speaker 2:

And if it doesn't work, you can try it again the next week. Just keep trying it over and over. I think it'd be huge. Oh okay, mine was a lot more simple than that. I was just going to say there's probably a lot of businesses that you would have vendored in the summer that are real cheap in the winter something about snow cones in january and just doing like a summer party in the middle of winter okay, just feels like, like we're tired of the cold yeah, just summer meltdown or whatever just everybody wear, like hawaiian shirts, snow cones just yeah, whatever you were gonna do wednesday night at the beach.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, wednesday night at the beach. Yeah, just blow it out and do, do whatever you would have done for like a big summer, like cookout night or whatever, and just do it on like the end of January.

Speaker 1:

Oh, you know what I would do with that. What would you do? Right at this time of year, that is actually a good idea. So host a summer party. Yeah, that is kickoff and reminder for camp day, yeah, and let let that be the start of your sign up, have the save the.

Speaker 2:

have it be the save the day. Maybe you don't have the full form yet, but it's the save the date night.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's that's who's ready for summer.

Speaker 2:

Who's ready for summer? Yeah, you just like. You got like sunscreen on your nose. There's little kiddie pools with drinks in them and stuff.

Speaker 1:

They show up. There's snow on the ground and you're just the grill, just grill it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, because one of those dads would love to grill. Like, yeah, you're just doing pineapple pork out there. Yeah, just cook it, do it, that's fun. Summer in January. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2:

The last one, so number five on our 2025 list is make it personal, make it relational. So relationship we've talked about it before on the podcast. Here's the way we want to level up this year. What are the relational webbing networks of your ministry? Like this is the actual hard work that we're going to give you at the very first of the year is can you do a relational map of your ministry, like who is everybody connected to? And the same way that some folks will like mind map an idea?

Speaker 2:

So this may be harder depending on the size of your ministry and how long you've been there. You may have like years and years of stuff, but can you trace all of your students to a connection they have both as a friend, parent, mentor, like do the work of, like who are the people in the lives of the folks in your ministry? And then go the other way who are the adults and where are they connected and just see where the loose ends are? I think sometimes we don't do some of the critical like analysis work. Last January we talked a lot about like having the right kind of numbers.

Speaker 2:

I would say have this as a right kind of visualization. Like do the crazy corkboard thing and put some names and draw strings of like where is everybody connected, who's missing out, who's drifted off, and if you have some pins that are like loose hangers, find ways to pull them back in. Because I think a lot of times like we do the program work but we don't do the relationship stuff as work, and I think that's the part for me that's been kind of a drum that we've been on the last year and a half is that relationship in your ministry relational youth ministry isn't just like a personality feature of your ministry. There's a layer of work that goes into it, like the phone calls and the texts and the coffees are the work. Those aren't just like the fun benefits of like I made some calls today, like no, that was like I was on the phone, that I was doing the work today, and some of that starts with doing the top down, like mapping it out kind of stuff.

Speaker 1:

I think one of the really simple question to ask a lot of your students is this who are three or four of your very best friends? Because, I mean, you're going to find that they've got really good friends in their life that you've never met before. Yeah, those are great opportunities to get to know them at a deeper level. Yeah, but it's also an opportunity to be like oh well, tell me about John.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Who is John? Oh, he played football with him, yeah, yeah, does he go to church anywhere? And now, like even for a lot of your students and I don't think this is sometimes—I think students are pulled in so many different directions, even when we're like you know, invite your friends, reach out to your friends, evangelize your friends.

Speaker 2:

That's too many messages. There's just too much, it becomes noise Right.

Speaker 1:

But the ability to talk to a kid and be like oh, tell me, how John does, does John go to church?

Speaker 2:

anywhere. Invite John. Yeah, I'd love to meet John. That's wonderful. Not even just have the kids that are there, but like who?

Speaker 1:

are like, who are their friends?

Speaker 2:

Like Chad is connected to Zach and to John and to Tim, and so being able to like, pray for and know like one layer deeper of personal connection is great.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think those are ways One. Even if they never invite that friend, it is a way to let them know in that room that you care about them and who they care about. To get to know them. Why do you like John? How long have you been friends with him? All of those kind of things?

Speaker 2:

It's a third wish I miss my friends. I hope they come home. I hope they come home, I hope they come home. So there you go. Thanks everybody. We'll see you back next week.

Speaker 2:

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